khaled1968 has written
Just try, just for once in your life, to look at the matter from a different angle, without becoming fanatical about your opinions.
I have never seen hypocrisy to such an extent before.
You are telling me to look at a different angle, as I have been approaching this from different angles the entire time. I have been willing to change my mind about things, like the idea that your religion is inherently bad, and so on. I have been willing to check all the sources you provided, which just shows the extent of my patience.
I have even been willing to listen to your constant blathering, but for you to have the audacity to assert that I am not approaching matters from different angles and perspectives? What a joke.
Maybe you should read over your posts again, and my responses to them. It may do you some good to read over our previous conversations, and pay attention to the details.
You see, I have spoken with logic and wisdom.
What do you have to offer? Allegations? Assertions? Self-Confirming Dogma? Obscure coincidences?
Pathetic.
My younger brother, who is about seven years old, can form more coherent logic than you. He can debate subjects with me and form logical reasons for his arguments. Those are basic functions of intelligence, which you seem to lack entirely.
khaled1968 has written
Spreading atheism is, in fact, the best way to destroy a nation. I hope you will consider my words before responding. Just relax and ask yourself, 'How could atheism destroy society?' and you will find the answer.
However, to make it short and straightforward, weaker faith in God leads to weakness on the battlefield, and leads to a stupid nation that anyone could control with any stupid theory as long as they say it's part of "Science".
You assert this, and yet when I relaxed and asked myself the question 'How could atheism destroy society?' the only answer I could come up with was "by making a better, more just society that outcompetes it due to the removal of ideological distortions and oppressive barriers to progress".
If anything, Atheism made so religion had to adapt into more fair and just structures to maintain its relevance and popularity. It improved society, as a whole. If you don't remember, the holy wars in the middle ages were some of the worst times in history. Atheism forced religions to adhere to their own teachings of peace and nonviolence, during a time when hypocrisy and abuse of power was rampant within major religions.
And how, exactly, would atheism make people weaker on the battlefield? It seems to me that, in the military, Atheists and Christians alike fight with the same strength and effectiveness. There is no significant difference between the two except for their views on the world.
Sigmund Freud has written
Humanity has in the course of time had to endure from the hands of science two great outrages upon its naive self-love. The first was when it realized that our earth was not the center of the universe, but only a tiny speck in a world-system of a magnitude hardly conceivable. The second was when biological research robbed man of his peculiar privilege of having been specially created.
You present this as if it is evidence of malice or evil. I find it evidence of wisdom. It sound like something I myself would say, when pondering the nature of life, power, and the order of things. There is no sinister meaning to it. It is just a person speculating about life.
khaled1968 has written
Note that me giving you some videos or infographics doesn't mean that everything inside these links is true; that is not necessary. However, I could say that most of the things are right.
Both videos were false, made by people using clickbait techniques to get views. They were so obviously clickbait, I don't know how you didn't realize it.
That video platform, Odysee, seems to run off of algorithms meant to increase user engagement without regard to accuracy or validity. If the algorithm determines that you are more likely to be engaged by conspiracy theories, it will serve you conspiracy theories. Just another example of how Capitalism will exploit the willful ignorance of people unable to separate fact from fiction. It serves you content you like, without regard of accuracy or relevance. If you prefer to blame Jews, it will serve up videos that blame Jews.
It's standard consumer exploitation. First chapter in the corporate playbook. It used to happen more on YouTube as well, until everyone got angry at them for doing it, making so they had to prioritize accuracy. They also included Wikipedia links to help fix the problem.
Also, the infographics were made to be intentionally misleading by whoever created them, upon inspection.
khaled1968 has written
I strongly advise you to learn Arabic, so that I can communicate with you better, and so that you can read the Qur'an and Islamic books.
*The Arabic language, without dispute, possesses the most extensive vocabulary and terminology. It is like magic. Once you master it, you can express everything you want and imagine without any difficulty. That's why you find Muslims saying that reading Qur'an must be in Arabic, except in some rare cases (like if the reader is poor and unable to learn Arabic, for example), also it makes you much smarter than an ordinary English speaker.
It is true that multilingualism does make one more intelligent. I have never been very interested in Arabic specifically though, because around where I live Spanish or Finnish would be more useful. More people speak those languages.
Also, the Qur'an is too much reading for me. I have enough trouble reading through the bible as it is, and I have a personal, premium, leather-backed copy of it on hand that I got as a birthday gift, which gives me every excuse to read it. It just has too much to read, and I can only take it in small amounts. There ain't no way I would be able to go through a behemoth like the Qur'an, especially in a different language. It is just not very feasible.
But why do you recommend "ISIS libraries and books"? Isn't the Islamic State a terrorist group? What business would they have telling the truth? It appears to me that terrorist groups only disseminate propaganda, not truth.
khaled1968 has written
Finally... I sincerely hope that you'll change your outlook on life and abandon these atheistic myths and illusions. If you don't, I won't hesitate to kill you when If I ever saw you in real life, because I consider you to be one of Satan's soldiers, whether you comprehend it or not. Being ignorant or failing to understand the evidence is not a justification.
I agree with that last statement. Being ignorant or failing to understand the evidence is not a justification to promote violence. It is not a justification to promote the hatred of Jews. It is not a justification to kill. It is not a justification to go to war.
Also, myths and illusions describe what you put forth, for grand claims without evidence to back them up constitute as no more than myths and illusions.
One should try to at least abide by the Sagan standard when discussing such things: i.e. extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard
Also, here are some tools that reduce unnecessary debate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_razor
khaled1968 has written
Blowing yourself up. This act is stupid for atheists only, as they don't believe in God. And this topic is not a subject for discussion or doubt, unless, of course, you are one of the fools who have been deceived by atheistic theories.
I am not an Atheist, and yet I believe that blowing myself up would kill me.
Is there a problem with me not wanting to kill myself?
Also, I have my doubts about whether you would be so willing to do so yourself at the drop of a hat. It is common sense that blowing yourself up just to blow up an enemy or two is a lose-lose situation. It causes death on both sides, and just makes both sides hate each other even more. What is the point?
Peace is not just a just, fair, and kind solution. It is also a rational, logical, and practical solution as well.
War, on the other hand, kills people on both sides, leads to more political oppression on both sides by authorities in order to keep people from protesting the fact that their friends are being killed in war, and causes more fear and resentment on both sides.
Which one, then, seems to be the better option?
khaled1968 has written
I am not free to do so; I am currently reading Islamic books. And let me inform you that Islamic books delve into profound depths. I mean, don't assume that they merely cover faith in God and good manners; there are much deeper aspects.
I know. But it would be nice if you could take a break after a while and read through them. They cover important historical context, along with common human tendencies, that are important to be aware of. We all should be aware of the influence past historical events have on current opinions and ideas.
Anyway, I generally feel the same as
ohaz, except that I have more confidence in your ability to overcome your more unhelpful tendencies. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you will stop believing Islam, which is fine because Islam is not the problem. I think you will eventually overcome your weakness for conspiracy theories, however much time it takes.
Also, I should hasten to point out that conspiracy theories themselves only serve a distraction from the real conspiracies which are happening in broad daylight. The argument that "some conspiracy theories are bound to be true" is a bad argument to base things off of.
Even if one of them is true, you will never know which one, and nobody trusts conspiracy theories anyway so the whole point of revealing the truth is lost with them. Nobody with a rational mind will listen to them, because the vast, vast majority of them are, indeed, false.
Instead, focus on learning about geopolitics, economics, international trade, diplomacy, and other important subjects that have actual bearing in the real world. That is how you learn how to get rid of corruption and evil. Not by engaging in conspiracy theories.
Here are a few articles to get you started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolitics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_and_conflict_studies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_in_Islamic_philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
Enjoy your journey.